Richard Groves And Sons Tenon Saw - Brass Back - 2

old groves tenon saw
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Review By: I.Ball

Category: Old Tenon Saws

Manufacturer: Richard Groves And Sons

Tool Type: Tenon Saw

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The old brass back Richard Groves And Sons tenon saw. We are so far unaware of model numbers for these saws so for the purpose of this review we have given it the model number 2.

The handle on this saw has two split nuts with one having a brass medallion face. The medallion face has the markings 'Established 1770'.

The handle medallion also has a red paper ring around it which originally had some form of advertising on, possibly relating to the manufacturer or possibly relating to the retailer.

old groves tenon saw

The black paper on the handle may also have had advertising on it, once gain possibly of the manufacturer or possibly the original merchant selling the saw.

This opens up the possibility and question, did other saws of the time (I believe about 1880's) do this? (This may well have been written about by an author(s), it is not something I am aware of currently).

The brass back spine is marked 'USE', 'Groves and Sons, Sheffield' and 'Silver Steel, Elastic Spring Temper, Warranted'.

The saw shown is 12 inches in length and has 12 teeth per inch (tpi). There were different lengthed and tpi versions of this saw produced.

old groves tenon saw established 1770

old groves brass tenon saw

old groves tenon saw

Manufactured Dates

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For information on dating this saw and other British saws, see the 'British Saws and Saw Makers from c1660' book, written by Simon Barley. The book is the most comprehensive saw directory to date listing makers, makers marks and manufacturing dates. There is also a whole host of additional information on the history of saw making, how to date a saw, in depth details on each of the large makers and much more, making for the most interesting read and leaving you with a slight desire to buy an old British saw.


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